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Saturday, January 17, 2009

TESTIMONY MUSLIM BECAME CHRISTIAN ( FROM MIDDLE EAST)


Testimony of Abdul Saleeb

My name is "Abdul Saleeb". I was born and raised in a Muslim country in the Middle East. Even though I lived in a very conservative Muslim society I grew up in a somewhat of a liberal Muslim family. Furthermore, my Muslim upbringing was unique due to my mother's serious involvement in Islamic sufism. So I can honestly confess, that I have had first hand experience of every aspect of contemporary Islamic movements. I personally did not consider myself very religious. At one point I even turned to Marxist ideologies thinking that they could provide real solutions to my country's social ills. However, throughout all this time I never doubted the fundamentals of my religious faith. I thought of Islam as a faith with such high ideals that I did not consider myself worthy of the name Muslim but I wholeheartedly believed that Islam was God's last and most perfect religion for all mankind, based on God's final revelation, the Qur'an, and the prophet Muhammad, God's seal of prophethood. My view of other religions (especially Judaism and Christianity) was that although they were fundamentally the same since they had all been revealed by one God, they were all inferior to Islam because all of them had to various degrees corrupted the original message of their founding prophets, something that we as Muslims have not done.
My religious views were radically challenged when I left my country because of its civil turmoil and went to Europe for the continuation of my studies. By the providence of God and because of various circumstances, I ended up enrolling in an International Christian School. My first "theological" question to one of my Christian teachers, was extremely childish but looking back at it now , the response of my teacher revolutionized my worldview. I asked my question after sitting in my first class about some of the teachings of the Bible. My question was, "How come Christians can drink wine but Muslims cannot? How come your word of God says one thing and our word of God says something different?" My teacher, not knowing much about Islam at all, gently asked, "How do you know the Qur'an is the word of God?" I was taken aback by that response. I had lived in a world in which everyone simply presupposed that the Qur'an was dictated word for word by God to the Prophet Muhammad and no one ever questioned that assumption. That brief encounter forced me to start on a journey, engage my Christian friends in hours of cordial discussion and debate about the truthfulness of the Christian faith.
Like almost any other Muslim, my original reaction to the claims of Christians about Jesus Christ was that of utter shock. These claims not only seemed like plain blasphemy but also quite nonsensical. How could any rational being believe such things about an honored prophet of God? Despite my fundamental theological differences with my friends, there was something about their life and faith that impressed me a great deal. There was a sincerity in their relationship with God and other people that I had not encountered among my own Muslim people. So I would often tell them that I did not want to deny their faith but I just wanted to find a compromise so that I could hold to the truth of Islam and they could continue to hold to their faith.
However, I was in no doubt that their belief about Jesus was based on statements that the prophet Jesus had never actually claimed for himself. My difficulty in understanding Christian belief was very much along the lines that have historically separated Islam from Christianity.
First, there was the issue of the deity of Christ. How can anybody believe that a human being was actually God incarnate? How can that be logically possible?
The second obstacle was the doctrine of the Trinity, an issue closely related to the first problem. Again, this Christian belief seemed to me was a logical absurdity and grossly compromised the belief in the Oneness of God.
Finally, I did not grant in any way that the Bible, especially the New Testament documents, were reliable when it came to reporting the words of Christ. Anything in the Bible that disagreed with the Qur'an was automatically rejected as being a corrupt teaching in the Bible.
My spiritual journey went on for months. Oftentimes I did find comfort in the Qur'an, but I was encountering more questions in that book than answers. For example, the violent tone of many of the Qur'anic passages (especially against the unbelievers but also against the Jewish and Christian people) began to bother me, when compared with the emphasis on love in the New Testament. One particular passage that troubled me, especially in light of my good friendship with many Christians, was in Sura 5:51.
"O ye who believe! Take not Jews and Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to eachother. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."
However, the most troubling section of the Qur'an had to do with the character of the prophet Muhammad himself. According to Sura 33:37, God sanctions Muhammad's desire to marry the divorced wife of his own stepson, "in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And God's command must be fulfilled."
I vividly remember the first time that I came across that verse in my study of the Qur'an. I began to sob with great sorrow and shame. All my life I had been told that Muhammad was the most perfect and ideal moral example for mankind and yet the Qur'an had a good number of examples of how the "revelations" could be so selfserving to the prophet himself!
I immediately wrote a letter to my mother back home with some of these troubling questions that I was encountering in the Qur'an. The response that I received to my letter from one of the most prominent religious leaders in my country was that I should just continue my secular studies and not focus too much on religion. On the other hand, as my understanding of the Bible was increasing many of my questions were beginning to get answered. Even as a Muslim I came to believe that the crucifixion of Christ was an undisputable historical fact that no honest person that deals with evidences of history could deny.
The character of Christ himself, as manifested for example in his beautiful Sermon on the Mount, was gradually making a great impression on me. But for me, the most impressive factor about Christ, were the multitudes of Old Testament prophecies about the coming of the Messiah. Some of these prophecies were so specific and they were fulfilled in the life of Jesus to such a detail that it amazed me to see how God had taken hundreds of years of Jewish history to prepare the coming of the Messiah; prophecies ranging from Messiah's ancestery, his manner and place of birth, his life and ministry to the circumstances surrounding his death by crucifixion. I was very attracted to Christ and yet I could not deny my own tradition and past. Becoming Christian seemed a definite betrayal of my own family and Islamic heritage. The tension in my life was so strong that I felt torn asunder between these two faiths.
But I still could not bring myself to accept that Jesus was anything more than a human being. Since he had never explicitly said, "I am God and you must worship me," the Christian claim about Jesus was based on speculation and historically unreliable Gospels. Surely the incredible statements attributed to Jesus were invented by later church and put in the mouth of Jesus.
In the midst of all this anxiety of thought, I woke up one morning and was suddenly struck by the meaning of a verse written by the prophet Isaiah in his ninth chapter. I had read this verse several weeks prior to that morning, but I had never understood its meaning. In Isa.7:14, we read,
"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."
Isaiah then goes on to write in chapter 9,
"[...] in the future he (God) will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the Jordan the people walking in darkness have seen a great light, on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned [...] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne [...] from that time on and forever."
I could not believe it! The fact that the Messiah was not going to be just a prophet but Mighty God himself, was therefore a truth that had been prophesied seven hundred years before Christ in the Old Testament, and not something that had been made up by Christians many years or centuries after Christ! It was God's own promise that he will come in flesh (Immanuel = God with us) and will establish a kingdom that will last forever.
I came to trust in Christ, the next day on January 20, 1985. I cried uncontrollably as I was praying and turning to Christ in faith. I did not know why, and though I had never felt much burden of guilt, I was feeling a great sense of peace and relief from the burden of my sins. A greater satisfaction was the sense of rest in finally finding the truth about God and His revelation of love to mankind in Jesus Christ. A book that helped me (and several other Muslim friends of mine who became Christians around the same time that I did) tremendously in answering many of my questions about the deity of Christ and the reliability of the New Testament documents was Josh McDowell's "Evidence That Demands A Verdict". I highly recommend it.
Soon after my own conversion, I decided to dedicate my entire life to promoting the Good News of Christ among Muslims and especially the people of my own country. I later came to the United States and received my undergraduate and graduate degrees in Biblical and Theological Studies. I also co-authored a book with Norman Geisler, a prominent Christian philosopher, with the title "Answering Islam: The Crescent in the Light of the Cross".
Abdul Saleeb, Ramadan of 1996
My name is "Abdul Saleeb". I was born and raised in a Muslim country in the Middle East. Even though I lived in a very conservative Muslim society I grew up in a somewhat of a liberal Muslim family. Furthermore, my Muslim upbringing was unique due to my mother's serious involvement in Islamic sufism. So I can honestly confess, that I have had first hand experience of every aspect of contemporary Islamic movements. I personally did not consider myself very religious. At one point I even turned to Marxist ideologies thinking that they could provide real solutions to my country's social ills. However, throughout all this time I never doubted the fundamentals of my religious faith. I thought of Islam as a faith with such high ideals that I did not consider myself worthy of the name Muslim but I wholeheartedly believed that Islam was God's last and most perfect religion for all mankind, based on God's final revelation, the Qur'an, and the prophet Muhammad, God's seal of prophethood. My view of other religions (especially Judaism and Christianity) was that although they were fundamentally the same since they had all been revealed by one God, they were all inferior to Islam because all of them had to various degrees corrupted the original message of their founding prophets, something that we as Muslims have not done.
My religious views were radically challenged when I left my country because of its civil turmoil and went to Europe for the continuation of my studies. By the providence of God and because of various circumstances, I ended up enrolling in an International Christian School. My first "theological" question to one of my Christian teachers, was extremely childish but looking back at it now , the response of my teacher revolutionized my worldview. I asked my question after sitting in my first class about some of the teachings of the Bible. My question was, "How come Christians can drink wine but Muslims cannot? How come your word of God says one thing and our word of God says something different?" My teacher, not knowing much about Islam at all, gently asked, "How do you know the Qur'an is the word of God?" I was taken aback by that response. I had lived in a world in which everyone simply presupposed that the Qur'an was dictated word for word by God to the Prophet Muhammad and no one ever questioned that assumption. That brief encounter forced me to start on a journey, engage my Christian friends in hours of cordial discussion and debate about the truthfulness of the Christian faith.
Like almost any other Muslim, my original reaction to the claims of Christians about Jesus Christ was that of utter shock. These claims not only seemed like plain blasphemy but also quite nonsensical. How could any rational being believe such things about an honored prophet of God? Despite my fundamental theological differences with my friends, there was something about their life and faith that impressed me a great deal. There was a sincerity in their relationship with God and other people that I had not encountered among my own Muslim people. So I would often tell them that I did not want to deny their faith but I just wanted to find a compromise so that I could hold to the truth of Islam and they could continue to hold to their faith.
However, I was in no doubt that their belief about Jesus was based on statements that the prophet Jesus had never actually claimed for himself. My difficulty in understanding Christian belief was very much along the lines that have historically separated Islam from Christianity.
First, there was the issue of the deity of Christ. How can anybody believe that a human being was actually God incarnate? How can that be logically possible?
The second obstacle was the doctrine of the Trinity, an issue closely related to the first problem. Again, this Christian belief seemed to me was a logical absurdity and grossly compromised the belief in the Oneness of God.
Finally, I did not grant in any way that the Bible, especially the New Testament documents, were reliable when it came to reporting the words of Christ. Anything in the Bible that disagreed with the Qur'an was automatically rejected as being a corrupt teaching in the Bible.
My spiritual journey went on for months. Oftentimes I did find comfort in the Qur'an, but I was encountering more questions in that book than answers. For example, the violent tone of many of the Qur'anic passages (especially against the unbelievers but also against the Jewish and Christian people) began to bother me, when compared with the emphasis on love in the New Testament. One particular passage that troubled me, especially in light of my good friendship with many Christians, was in Sura 5:51.
"O ye who believe! Take not Jews and Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to eachother. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."
However, the most troubling section of the Qur'an had to do with the character of the prophet Muhammad himself. According to Sura 33:37, God sanctions Muhammad's desire to marry the divorced wife of his own stepson, "in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And God's command must be fulfilled."
I vividly remember the first time that I came across that verse in my study of the Qur'an. I began to sob with great sorrow and shame. All my life I had been told that Muhammad was the most perfect and ideal moral example for mankind and yet the Qur'an had a good number of examples of how the "revelations" could be so selfserving to the prophet himself!
I immediately wrote a letter to my mother back home with some of these troubling questions that I was encountering in the Qur'an. The response that I received to my letter from one of the most prominent religious leaders in my country was that I should just continue my secular studies and not focus too much on religion. On the other hand, as my understanding of the Bible was increasing many of my questions were beginning to get answered. Even as a Muslim I came to believe that the crucifixion of Christ was an undisputable historical fact that no honest person that deals with evidences of history could deny.
The character of Christ himself, as manifested for example in his beautiful Sermon on the Mount, was gradually making a great impression on me. But for me, the most impressive factor about Christ, were the multitudes of Old Testament prophecies about the coming of the Messiah. Some of these prophecies were so specific and they were fulfilled in the life of Jesus to such a detail that it amazed me to see how God had taken hundreds of years of Jewish history to prepare the coming of the Messiah; prophecies ranging from Messiah's ancestery, his manner and place of birth, his life and ministry to the circumstances surrounding his death by crucifixion. I was very attracted to Christ and yet I could not deny my own tradition and past. Becoming Christian seemed a definite betrayal of my own family and Islamic heritage. The tension in my life was so strong that I felt torn asunder between these two faiths.
But I still could not bring myself to accept that Jesus was anything more than a human being. Since he had never explicitly said, "I am God and you must worship me," the Christian claim about Jesus was based on speculation and historically unreliable Gospels. Surely the incredible statements attributed to Jesus were invented by later church and put in the mouth of Jesus.
In the midst of all this anxiety of thought, I woke up one morning and was suddenly struck by the meaning of a verse written by the prophet Isaiah in his ninth chapter. I had read this verse several weeks prior to that morning, but I had never understood its meaning. In Isa.7:14, we read,
"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."
Isaiah then goes on to write in chapter 9,
"[...] in the future he (God) will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the Jordan the people walking in darkness have seen a great light, on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned [...] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne [...] from that time on and forever."
I could not believe it! The fact that the Messiah was not going to be just a prophet but Mighty God himself, was therefore a truth that had been prophesied seven hundred years before Christ in the Old Testament, and not something that had been made up by Christians many years or centuries after Christ! It was God's own promise that he will come in flesh (Immanuel = God with us) and will establish a kingdom that will last forever.
I came to trust in Christ, the next day on January 20, 1985. I cried uncontrollably as I was praying and turning to Christ in faith. I did not know why, and though I had never felt much burden of guilt, I was feeling a great sense of peace and relief from the burden of my sins. A greater satisfaction was the sense of rest in finally finding the truth about God and His revelation of love to mankind in Jesus Christ. A book that helped me (and several other Muslim friends of mine who became Christians around the same time that I did) tremendously in answering many of my questions about the deity of Christ and the reliability of the New Testament documents was Josh McDowell's "Evidence That Demands A Verdict". I highly recommend it.
Soon after my own conversion, I decided to dedicate my entire life to promoting the Good News of Christ among Muslims and especially the people of my own country. I later came to the United States and received my undergraduate and graduate degrees in Biblical and Theological Studies. I also co-authored a book with Norman Geisler, a prominent Christian philosopher, with the title "Answering Islam: The Crescent in the Light of the Cross". 

Abdul Saleeb,
Ramadan of 1996

37 comments:

  1. The problem of Trinity in Christian's belief, however it will not ever give the satisfied answer to the Moslem. The one hand, the human being is limited by dimensions of space and time.The man just accepts an insight if it can be understood rationally, not irrationally, Logically not ilogically.What's posible, Lord the Creator of universe have a son?, Do the Lord get married??, moreover to recognize the Deity of Jesus Christ, it is nonsense, right???. The Lord became similar like as human being. Don't it a buse towards the mercy of God???.

    But the other hand, if Lord the creator of universe had allowed irrational case happened to realize His Majesty plan for the savety ou human being soul, may the men protest His plan???, may the men rejects His will eventhough it beyond our ratio, it is not logic???. May be!!!, because the work of redemption in Lord Jesus is a bargain. If we believe Lord as a Saviour in the name Lord Jesus, thus we save, but if we reject Him, thus your soul banish.

    I don't know what your comment is. But I can believe the witness of Abdul saleeb, that someone confess his/her belief, it is just the work of Holy Spirit in he himself/ she herself.It is not of intervention of man. There's not the part of men at all, to save the human being soul from the eternal dying unless Lord Jesus Christ Himself in His Grace.

    See you

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  2. I am dating a Muslim boy from Egypt and talking with him is sometimes difficult becuase to him many of the Bible does not make sense and Quran on the other hnd made a lot of sense in the ears of human.

    What do you suggest or any resources you can suggest me to read with him ?
    He made the Quran sounded like something unquestionable, and somewhat also blind to what is problematic... I donno what approach to be good. Can you please help??

    beacherry @ G MAIL . COM

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  3. well i like to give coment to cherry. becouse iam muslim and has christian boyfriend. iam not extrimist but somehow he is the one indirect show me what is quran. if you said quran is unquestionable and somehow blind with problematic.it is wrong. i think you should learn quran and make comparison with your bible as i did.(find out in internet lot of islam website or even christian website and use your analysis) God give us mind and heart to think and to feel right..? i by my self discover alot becouse of him. he make me try to learn what inside of bible. and when i compare with my analysis. finaly he make me better muslim. now i even know that quran is sign of science. i even read why the preacher convert to islam their explanation better in making comparison and i make the same thing why muslim convert to christian and judge it with my comparative analysis. when we want to find the truth we should use our mind. throw all bias perception. now we both learn about islam. why they allow poligamy, what woman in islam perception. finally all bad prejudice gone when we got true explanation from the exppert. try to learn religion with the expert and ask as much as you can. use your analysis. so you can do the same thing as what i did regarding your religion. all the best.

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  4. shaloom...Cherry, I understand your problem,open your e-mail. Love in Christ.dona

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  5. hello cherry...

    Its the very tool of every muslim to misguide a christian(for only name sake) who is unaware of the bible and knows nothing about it.. 90% of chirstians in the west are busy with their daily scedules and hardly spend time to go and attend the sermons, well leave it, let me come to the point. first of all you must understand one thing that, the muslims hides the hadith and most of quran verses of hate towards non-believers and just go around yelling that we are the true religious people, we are god's own people so and so, and sometime they make u confuse if YOU ARE NOT A TRUE PRACTISING CHRISTIAN.

    first:
    the belief of that the christ's crucifixion

    well muslims say that christ was not crucified,but someone resembled him was crucified as (their) Allah does not allow his prophet to die!!! can't you see from this, how much lies you hear from thier prophet? well to begin, the crucifixion was christ was made under the direct supervision of the roman authority,who ordered his execution, you can see this in a deep discussion in the bible.. and there were eye witness for the event took place and christ's mother mary was the very much near him along with magadelana and st.john, have u ever heard the last words of christ on the cross, wat he said? father forgive them for they do not know wat they do: can a substitute to christ can give such a phrase while suffering on the cross? and his resurrection.. IF NOT THE RESURRECTION TOOK PLACE, JESUS CHRIST'S MISSION WOULD HAVE WENT FUTILE.. ITS BECAUSE HE STAYED 40 DAYS WITH HIS FOLLOWERS AND GUIDED THEM OF THEIR MISSION.. and you can see christ himself quoting that he came to earth as a sacrifice for all human kind for their birth sin, we all sinned against god, christ being sinless born to a virgin, BEING SINLESS took the whole sin of mankind on cross, it is also said in the quran CHRIST IS SINLESS AND BORN OF VIRGIN, it is said that every born child is with a sin as their mother sins to bear the child. BUT JESUS IS SINLESS EVEN IN THAT ASPECT. HE IS BORN OF VIRGIN.. what is the purpose of GOD to put him into a virgin? why did'nt he(god) make him to be born natural as other prophets.. if the so called PROPHET OF ISLAM IS THE GREATEST GOD WOULD HAVE LET HIM TO BORN OF A VIRGIN TOO, AND LET NOT DIE WHEN IN INTERCOURSE WITH AYESHA daughter of abu bakhr HIS FAVOURATE WIFE. (whome muhammad had sex with when she was only 9 years old while he is 54. you know wat is the purpose of christ? to die for the sins of the people and to be resurrected at the third day.. he mentioned that several times in the bible.. HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE IN SOMEONE 630 YEARS OF CHRIST COMES AND CLAIMS THAT CHRIST WAS NOT DEAD BUT ASCENDED TO HEAVEN? AND SAYS THAT THE ANGEL GABRIEL SAID SO? (FIRST OF ALL MUHAMMAD HAD CONFUSION AS HE SAID THAT HE FIRST FAINTED WITH FEAR IN SEEING THE ANGEL AND SUSPECTING IT TO BE A DEVIL AND WENT ON FROM THERE TO THROW HIMSELF FROM THE HILL AND DIE) this shows muhammad had fear of devils.. BUT JESUS WHEN TEMPTED BY THE SATAN.. HE ORDERED THE SATAN TO MOVE AWAY... JESUS HAD AUTHORITY TO COMMAND AND DROVE THEM AWAY.. BUT MUHAMMAD FEARED DEVIL AND EVEN WENT TO COMMIT SUICIDE..AND ONE MORE THING... WOULD YOU ACCEPT ANYONE WHO COMES AND TELLS YOU THAT ABRAHAM LINCOLN OR GANDHI OR KENNEDY NEVER DIED BUT SUMONE RESEMBLED THEM PUT TO DEATH INSTEAD OF THEM, WILL YOU BELIEVE IN THAT LIES??? SAME IS APPLICABLE TO SOMEONE WHO CAME 630 YEARS AFTER CHRIST.. CAN YOU COME TO THE CONCLUTION OF DENING CHRIST'S RESURRECTION? ITS JUST BECAUSE MUHAMMAD WANTED HIMSELF TO ADORED AS PROPHET.. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON BEHIND ALL HIS REJECTION OF THE BIBLE AND CHRIST AS LORD THE SON OF GOD.. FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION I ALSO GIVE YOU A SITE SO THAT YOU CAN READ THE NATURE OF MUHAMMAD AND HIS MOTIVATION http://www.faithfreedom.org. UNDERSTAND MUHAMMAD BEFORE FALLING TO THE ISLAMIC CULT..
    IN CHRIST'S LOVE
    BROTHER MUSTAFA ALAN

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  6. TO cherry,
    one more information, Dr.Ali sina the founder of www.faithfreedom.org, has placed some charges of muhammad in a coloum -challenge- he also invites all muslim imams and scholors to disprove the charges against muhammad, and if any one does it he openly stated the he would close the site and also offer the person a sum of 50,000 US DOLLERS. and no one has dared to disprove the charges since all these 11 years.. and yes they say and try to trap u with a issue that quran is science, UTTERLY FOOLISH wat is written in quran is previously written torah and the holy gospel, and you can straight away email dr.sina for your understandings.. and alos ask you SO WISE BOYFRIEND OF ISLAM TO READ THE SITE AND ANSWER ATLEAST ONE OF THE ISSUE THERE, and ofcourse he shows u the mathematical and scientific error in kuran.. for example in the quran it says about formation of a child in the womb. total contrast to the science. and about the sun setting on a large muddy pond, like the heaven has palm trees(muhammad only had the knowledge of wat the arab land beared).....

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  7. http://wirajhana-eka.blogspot.com/2008/10/einstein-untuk-kategori-agama-kosmis.html

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  8. ALL THE ANSWER IS THE BIBLE...GOT TO KNOW JESUS....
    HE IS A LOVING PERSON...THERES NO FEAR IN HIS NAME..LOVE YOU JESUS..U R MY SAVIOR ..

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  9. Regarding the Mashiakh:

    ”There is an unequivocal criteria for discerning the Mashiakhַ or a navi ( lit. "the one bringing"; i.e., a prophet; one who calls, proclaims, prophesies): Dәvâr•im′ 13.1-6. תּוֹרָה (Torah) sets forth the acid test, whether the alleged Mashiakh ( מָשִׁיחַ) or נָבִיא (navi) advocates to keep, or displace, תּוֹרָה. Partial (i.e., selective) observance entails rejection of מִצווֹת (mitzwot; commandments) that are non-selected, which is rejection of תּוֹרָה in its indivisible whole. There is no middle ground.”

    ( Quote “1993 covenant” by Paqid Yirmeyahu Ben Dawid (found here: www.netzarim.co.il) (slightly edited by me).

    The historical Ribi Yehoshua ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) (his teachings are found in www.netzarim.co.il) (the only legitimate Netzarim) kept and taught Torah all of his life. A logical analysis of all the first centuries relevant documents proves that his Netzarim-talmidim (apprentice-students) did likewise. To be one of Ribi Yehoshuas Netzarim-talmidim (apprentice-students) one must do likewise (learn more in the above website). One mitzwah is Torah is subordination to a beit-din. Those whom want to follow Ribi Yehoshua must subordinate to the beit-din ha-Netzarim.

    Conclusion, the Christian Jezus didn’t fullfill the Messianic prophecies; le-havdil, the historical Ribi Yehoshua did.

    Anders Branderud

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  10. http://sahabat-gembala.blogspot.com/2009/01/opini-analisis-atas-pengaruh-sesat-da.html


    Keputusan untuk “membuang “ injil Gnostik pada saat itu didasarkan pada pertimbangan bahwa
    injil –injil tersebut tidak pernah menekankan keselamatan yang dibawa oleh Jesus Kristus
    melalui cerita kematian, kebangkitan dan kenaikannya ke sorga.

    di dalam Isi Torah , Zabur dan Injil yang asli ( barnabas ) memang tiada pernah disebutkan Jesus sbg tuhan..Jesus / isa adalah nabi. . . maka dari itu, paus paulus dan sekutu Iluminatinya mencoba merubah injil dan mentuhankan nabi isa... sehingga dari 12 murid nabi isa, hanya 4 yang diakui dan dijadikan injil dalam perjanjian baru..

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  11. Do you believe that Moslem/Islam is the true religion in this universe ? Do you believe that Islam/Moslem is peace religion ? I am not sure and never ! The Muhhammad him self could not save his life. And the Al-Quran is not the Reveletion of God. But it contains the opini of Muhammad him self and with his friend and then he proclaimed that Al-Quran is the Revelation of God. Muhammad is not true prophet of God. Because prophet and apostle never come from Arab land. There is no salvation and eternal life in Islam/Moslem. But Lord Jesus who come from heaven and heaven belong to Him said : I am the way, and the truth and the life. No one come to the Father except through Me. Only Lord Jesus could give us salvation and eternal life. In Him we are saved and secured.

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  12. That's truth...jesus is the only one god and i trust him more than everything.i m buddhist before i know him.i feel lost and darkness.but thanks for god.i m feeling great,amazing after all..god bless us all.and thank to great truth story from mr.saleeb

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  13. it s true ,jesus christ is the same yesterday ,today and forever, who dares challenge,GOD said to isiah i will behold a virgin shall percieve a son and his name shall be call immanuel,in revelation yehosua said for challenges am GOD ,that i came to the world to save mankind from their sins,who is mohammed who claim to be deny GOD mercy to ward his pp.no wonder jesus christ said behold that false prophet will com e claiming that they are christ, false prophet will come and decieve many pp, and it is true,after this prophecy that the soo called mohammed claiming tyhat he is a messenger of god,hat he is the messenger of allah,the non exixtence god,so mohammed is a false prophet and isa in quaran is not is a false prophet

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  14. isa in the quaran is a false prophet, jesus christ taught us to love our enemy,he has authority to forgive pp. jesus christ is GOD, ,HE COMMANDED SATAN TO GET AWAY, TELL ME MY MUSLIMS BROTHERS ,THAT UR SOO CALLED MOHAMMED HAVE SUCH AUTHORITY, HE WAS EVEN AFRAID OF THE ANGEL GABRIEL WHEN HE APPEARED TO HIM, AND WENT AWAY, HE DIED A SHAMEFUL DEATH ON THE KNEES OF AYESHA , AN. HE MUST BE ROTTING IN HELL NOW, IF I ASK U TO TELL ME THE SINS OF CHRIST U CAN NEVA SAY, BECAUSE HE WAS SINLEES, THE GOD OF THE BIBBLE IS UNCONDTIONAL , HE LOVES SINNERS , JESUS THE GOD SAID I DID NOT COME FOR THE RIGHTEOUS BUT I CAME FOR THE SICK,NO WONDER THAT ALLAH IS CONDITIONAL HE FORGIVE THOSE WHO LOVES HIM AND HATE THOSE WHO HATE ,WHAT A GOD,ALLAH IS IN FARAWAY, WHILES THE GOD OF THE BIBBLE IS OUR FATHER, SO MUSLIMS IS TIME TO NOE THE TRUTH, ABT GOD AND STOP WORSHIPPING NON EXISTENCE god, whom ur mohammed brougth to u, jesus said false prophet and religion will come,

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  15. let us all compare Jesus and Muhammad sin..

    Muhammad -1. Murder (favorite),2.taking someone wife (his stepson wifes),3. liar(he ask his fellow not to go near their wifes during period but he sleep between ayesha leg while she's period!!)4. sex maniac ( 22++ wifes and have sex with 9 yr old girl??? what a sick old man!!! this number excluded his servant as his god allowed him to have them!!),5. Major thief in history!!!( his god allowed him to steal others property, this is one of 5 thing that his god allowed him to do and ONLY HIM!!)6.racist (hate jewish with all his heart) .. and etc,etc,etc.. and for my own opinion ( i think u guys too), he just use the word god told him to do so to FULLFILL HIS SINFULL DESIRE!!!

    Jesus sin... ERRRRR!!!! Anyone??? any idea???
    i know!! we cant list His sin because he was born without sin and live without sin!! Even Pontius Pilatus(the one who crucified Him) cant find any sin or wrongdoing He done!!

    So why do ppl stll want to believe someone so dirty and nasty and sick and retard than a VERY HOLY MAN???

    THINK!!!!!

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    1. i am thinking. i have already thought and the answer is : you are not thinking hard enough for yourself. sorry the islam the true religion, my fact is the second truth for you.

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  16. "Iam the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me." (Yoh 14:6)
    Iam the way says Christ. He became man precisely so that we might see the Father in him.
    Praise the Lord.

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  17. kenapa:
    muhamad sendiri tidak tahu pasti dirinya masuk surga
    nama Isa jauh lebih banyak disebut dalam quran
    kenapa quran sendiri wahyukan kedatangan ISA yg kedua kali
    kenapa quran bilang tidak ada nama yg lebih agung di dunia selain ISa
    kenapa quran katakan Isa adalah hakim terakhir
    kenapa muhamad istrinya banyak
    kenapa mau menikahi anak dibawah umur
    kenapa seorang nabi bisa berpikir untuk bunuh diri
    kenapa halal menumpahkan darah dalam islam dgn alasan tertentu apapun itu membunuh dosa, agamaseharusnya idealis
    kenapa semua nabi yahudi dan nasrani ada dalam quran
    kenapa kabah berpilar tiga (menurut saya konsep Tri Tunggal: Bapak, Anak dan Roh kudus)krn yg bangun juga bukan bangsa arab tapi yahudi
    kenapa quran banyak sekali mewahyukan kedatangan ISA tanpa menuliskan keberadaan muhamad di akhir dunia ini nantinyaa
    kenapa kalian sibuk mewartakan injil dipalsukan, tahu dari mana?
    kenapa karena ajaran sesat barnabas kalian katakan injil palsu, bagaimana dgn ahmadiyah yg punya nabi baru orang india, berartialquran palsu juga

    saudara muslim, ini harus ditanyakan pada diri anda sendiri, kenapa...masih banyak kenapa lainnya.....tidak perlu lihat kitab agama lain, telaah saja semua dalam quran untuk cari kebenaran...quran sudah jelas infokan siapa ISA Almasih...kelahirannya ada dalam quran, hidupnya, keajaibannya sampai kedatangan dari langit pun ada...Yesus mau kalian selamat..hanya itu saja....

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  18. Apa benar semua orang Kristen pasti masuk surga? karena saya baru liat kesaksian orang Kristen asal Korea yang dibawa Yesus melancong ke neraka di http://ishamerdeka.blogspot.com Mohon dijawab yach!?

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  19. kok kenapa kenapa??? di Al-Qur'an udh jelas,jd ga usah nanya-nanya. Cari tau sendiri jawabannya, kalau baca Al-Qur'an jgn sepintas2. Agama mana yang paling bener..
    Kebanyakan orang kristen nyari2 kesalahan isi dari Al-Qur'an. Kalau baca yang lengkap.

    Selamat Membaca., tp jgn lupa ambil wudhu' dulu.
    Ga sembarangan orang boleh nyentuh kitab suciQ.

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  20. Kenapa umat kristen merasa umat islam membenci yesus? padahal ya kalo aku perbandingkan antara blog-blognya muslim dan kristen ternyata blognya kristenlah yang banyak menghujat dan menyudutkan umat islam. Mereka menghina Nabi Muhammad, Al-Quran dan lain-lainnya tapi kebanyakan blog-blognya islam biasanya untuk diskusi, argumentasi dan berbagi ilmu. Katanya agama mereka menyebarkan kasih sayang, dalam al-kitabnya di suruh mengasihi musush-musuhnya. Tapi sumpah serapah yang gak pantas begitu banyak bertaburan di situs-situs dan blog-blognya umat kristen yang sangat menghina umat islam. Gitu kenapa islam yang di bilang benci? padahal sepertinya kalian yang menyemaikan kebencian pada diri kalian sendiri.

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  21. Salam sejahtera..
    Wahai sahabat muslim ku yang dihormati. Pohon jelaskan maksud ayat-ayat yang saya senaraikan di bawah :-

    1.) Surah az-Zumar 39:4. Muslims mendakwa Allah tidak akan mempunyai anak dan ini tidak akan terjadi. Bagaimana dengan ayat Surah Az-Zumar 39:4 ?

    2.) Surah Maryam 19:15 dan 19:33. Muslim mendakwa Nabi Isa tidak mati disalibkan. Jika Nabi Isa tidak mati, bila dia akan ?

    3.) Surah al-Ahzab 33:56. Muslim dan Malaikat berdoa kepada Allah. Persoalannya Allah berdoa kepada Siapa ? Bukankah ayat tersebut bermaksud Allah mempunyai Tuhan ?

    4.) Surah al-Haqqad 69 : 41-43 dan Sahih AL-Bukhari 4428. Dalam Surah al-Haqqad 69 : 41-43 menjelaskan bahawa Allah akan potong pembuluh jantung Nabi Muhammad jika Nabi Muhammad adalah Nabi palsu. Bagaimana hendak jelaskan ayat pada Sahih Al-Bukhari 4428 ?

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